In this episode of Civil Discord, Jaffee and Phillips are joined by their faculty colleague Josh Gellers. Gellers is an Associate Professor of Political Science with a specialty in international relations. The conversations moves seamlessly from Trump’s foreign policy impulses and motives, whether there is a foreign policy “blob”, what a progressive foreign policy should look like including policy toward Israel, the “realist” foreign policy perspective, the role of NATO, foreign policy toward Russia and Latin America, the Trump-Russia connection, Trump’s and Sander’s political appeal based on “moral foundations” and their relative prospects for ultimate success in the 2020 election, and the current state of the coronavirus.